I'm visiting the Jenolan Caves in Nov and I would like to visit the Lucas and Orient Caves. The timing on the jenolan caves website is that the Lucas cave tour start at 11:30 am and the Orient Cave at 1:30pm. However, the Trolley coach only departs from Katoomba at 10:35am, so I won't make it on time for the Lucas cave tour. If I really want to visit the Lucas Cave, I have to give up my visit to the Orient Cave which is also at 1:30pm. I've researched for coaches that depart from Katoomba earlier, but to no avail. I've read that the Trolley coach used to depart at 9:45 am, so why did they have to change the timing?